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PostSubject: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:01 pm

but I feel obligated to speak my mind...

Now what I'm about to speak is going to upset alotta people, however I doubt I will change anything..
But, here goes:

I wanna quit using JUS style.
Yes, you heard me, I don't believe I wanna use JUS style anymore.

Now hear me out, I have my reasons:

-Most of the characters and profiles are edits,and tey are...rather obivous, which takes away from the originailty of the series.
-I've neen studying animation more and more, and well even if we do use JUS we could still fix and make some frame more and more fluid.


I just think that NF has great potienal as shown by this animation he made for Korah in Eutopia:


See just look that! Look how fluid and great that animation is!
This just shows how capable NF is.

and I've also read some of the comments from the previous episodes...

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unfortunately sprite animations have become so over-used that I personally no longer find them entertaining.
Sprites are a great way to get people animating and making movies, but you should try to move on and actually draw characters yourself.
It's a lot harder but it's also more rewarding.
However I won't mark it down because of this.
I almost died laughing when they shot beams from their swords though, that was pure comedy!
To sum it up, try to move away from sprites, otherwise the plot and story were at best, generic and over done - Train me! master! Wow he's strong etc etc etc
The street fighter reference was cool though!
I am willing to bet 99% of all animators on this site started with or used sprites at some point in their career, I know I did, so it's not really fair to mark this movie down because it uses sprites
In short 5/10 and 5/5
Nothing new, but not bad either


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And it's not far from the truth.
-The dialog was rather uninteresting.
-All of the sprites were of poor quality, the backgrounds particularly. The characters' sprites looked like poor edits of JSS/JUS sprites.
-There was no emotion coming from the characters themselves. Sure, you tried to express it in their little portraits, but that's not enough. Despite what you might think, emotion can indeed be expressed on those little pixely faces.
-You reused the same poses for your characters way too much. Watching the same one or two sword slashes be used for every attack is rather boring.
-The Dragon Ball style of fighting is not creative in the least bit, and just about as entertaining. It is especially wrong to use it for sword-play. Instead of blurs flying around clashing with each other, you should have spectacular showdowns between your warriors, not have cliche beam-struggles. You might as well remove the use of weapons if you're going to pull a DBZ-fight.


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yeh the guy who sed u copied all off your sprites off shonen jump
well this is a HUGE improvement the story the sprites backgrounds were all improved VERY well so I give you 10 but I'm still going to mention the flaws of this flash
~THE GOOD~
-explained with a much better turn on storyline and made it so it makes sense why the angelis looks so young (dealt with that problem awesomely)
-way better and more custom sprites/background
-added flash to the mix
-made this flash a waay better chance of series sucess!
-appropriate + fitting great music!
~THE BAD~
-blood sprite FAIL (it kinda ruined the master dying and probably would've looked better WITH no blood sprite so try to get/make a better one
-flash could be better (but I know its hard so dont mind that)
-needs more effects!
-faster pace of battles 2 make em more intense
-okay when using flash dont put moving sprite tails behind them as they speak
~SUGGESTIONS~
-I believe more charaters must be added to the parties of both good and evil
-longer (doesn't have to be though I'm just putting it out there for better storyline)
-the rest is pretty much in the bad
can't wait for episode 3! -coolit12 the review guy



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Hmm...Korah seems to look a lot like Kazuki Muto...
At any rate, the story is interesting, I can't wait for more!
However, the zoom in on Korah and Snow's faces didn't turn out as epic as one would think, since they were sprites (nice ones at that!) they only looked more like colored pixels rather than faces and features.

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The animation was rather choppy. And it got immensely boring watching undetailed sprites repeat the same 2 attacks over and over and over and over and over untill the poor script ended the fight. blah, boring.

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ok almost EVERYTHING i saw was ripped off of shonen jump
bar tender - Gin - samurai vs. alien
snow - Allen - D.Gray man and he was in ichigo's (bleach) bankai clothes
and had his sword
Korah - i forgot his series and his name (don't really know him i only played as him in jump ultamite stars) but i think he's from buso rekin
blizzard beam - kamehameha (dragon ball z)
blizzard beam clash - odama resengan (naruto)
all you did was edit there colour and looks a bit
and the the complaints from other veiwers pretty covers the rest
make the sequel a bit less cheesy other wise it was awsome


anyways, this is all up to Korah, but I'm not trying to say that TLOK sucks, but as a whole if NF wants higher than 5th place, we should consider some things.
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:16 pm

I Wish we could do something like Melty Blood style or EU style too...
But we don't have the time, nor the resources...

Besides, I'm just not good enough a spriter to do that.
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:26 pm

Snow Taradien wrote:
I Wish we could do something like Melty Blood style or EU style too...
But we don't have the time, nor the resources...

Besides, I'm just not good enough a spriter to do that.
Well, I'm kinda decent at spriting..
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:35 pm

Whatever you need of me I can do.
I've got nothing better to do on the internet anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:37 pm

No offense but, a complete revamp of the sprites with a one man team is Impossible.
Unless you recruited some other guys, or got someone to help, there'd be no way.

Snow And Korah Alone have too many motions to start new sheets on... Then again, Snow is a fairly easy edit from Hitsugaya, from the DS Bleach Game, so, He's easy enough... Korah on the other hand...

As for Aiden, if you support this, and we all got to work immediately, do you think we could have it done by chapter 5?
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:41 pm

...a complete and total revamp by ch.5?




Well... I dunno. I work really slowly when i'm just doing single sheets.
A lot of them at once may take awhile.

At the same time, most of the people that have done the origional sprites for these characters we have either lost contact with or they just don't feel like finishing.

Either way we go, I can deal with it.

EDIT: But seriously... We need spriters. Alot more of them. People who we can count on to show a little consistency.
(Not to be offending anyone. We can all understand if you're busy.)
Some people with basic editing skills could work just fine, they can make the backbones of the sheets, we can touch them up later...

Whatever works, but we have to work faster than we are now.

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:44 pm

Well, provided we start right after we finish the stuff for CH4, we could maybe do it...

IDK, maybe we should ask Korah.
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:46 pm

Yeah, we probably should...
A decision isn't really a decision if everyone isn't there to make it.

BTW, I edited.

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:47 pm

A snails pace isn't gonna get us fans...

I agree, speed needs to come up...

But, how do we go about recruiting?
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:50 pm

There are a lot of sprites dedicated to spriting.
We could hit them up and see if anyone's interested in helping.
EDIT: Anyone else think this should be moved from spam?

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:57 pm

Go ahead and move it, maybe ideas, this is actually really important.
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:03 pm

Ideas it is then.

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:06 pm

Thanks for moving my topic,
I was just curious is all.

But maybe putting forth a better deal of effort would get us fans?
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:31 pm

With our snail's pace, I think the fans keep forgetting we exist.

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:55 pm

Aiden wrote:
With our snail's pace, I think the fans keep forgetting we exist.

Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:59 pm

Castlevania style is pretty.
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:26 pm

I beg to differ.
I think it's kinda gross, and worse detail than JUS when zoomed in.

On another note:

http://sdb.drshnaps.com/sheets/Media/Other/Other/Bleach2-Hitsugaya.png
Snow's Base, easy enough to edit right?
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:08 pm

I would love to move on from JUS style. The big problem is that we have a total of what, four spriters in these forums? We may be pretty decent in spriting, but with just us four making EVERYTHING all over again isn't going to happen anytime soon. If we can get some other spriters involved, then I'm all for it, but it seems extremely unlikely anytime soon.

And if we do change style, it has to be a really good style, such as ETW.

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:52 pm

What's ETW?? o3o;;

Btw, if we do decide to revamp all the sprites does that mean I'll have to redo mine too? (even though I really didn't do much Sweat Drop ) But the sooner we can decide on a style I'll get on them ASAP ^^
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:55 pm

ETW=Eutopia: The Worlds



Yeah, it would mean you'd have to do yours too. But nothing is final yet.

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:57 pm

Cool ^^
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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:02 pm

Korah Hyoutetsu wrote:
ETW=Eutopia: The Worlds



Yeah, it would mean you'd have to do yours too. But nothing is final yet.

WRYY

That style looks so complicated...

Oh, and BTW, Mitsuki keeps saying there's no girl sprites.

Just thought i'd throw that out there.

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:04 pm

If we change styles, shouldn't we pick something that looks THAT much better?

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:07 pm

Well, yeah, but at the same time, we are having bad enough pacing problems with JUS.

Imagine re-doing Every. Single. Sprite. In that style.

Updates would be months apart, methinks.

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PostSubject: Re: This topic is gonna ring alotta contraversy..   Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:13 pm

Wouldn't that go for any new style we choose thats even remotely better than JUS?

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